e-Gold handel, illegal?

Tryle

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Hallo,

ich weiss jetzt nicht in welches Forum dies nun passt...
kann ja ins richtige verschoben werden
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zu meinem Anliegen.

Also in den USA bzw. weltweit gibt es doch die Internetwährung
"e-gold" dabei handelt es sich wie z.b. Paypal um
ein Zahlungssystem, welches aber auf den Goldkurs basiert.
Man kann jedoch nur Geld durch Drittanbieter einzahlen und auszahlen lassen, die sogenannten e-gold exchanger.

Und darum geht es mir...
Es gibt viele solcher Anbieter die mit diesem Währungshandel
viel Geld verdienen. Also sind schon richtige Unternehmen.
z.B. icegold.com


Nur wäre dies in Deutschland legal?

Also ich könnte doch dann e-Gold im Wert von 10.000 EUR
kaufen und wieder mit 3% Profit weiterveräußern.
In verschiedenen Foren habe ich gesehen, dass die Käufer
bei z.B. telegraphischen Bargeldtransfer wie western union eine höhere
Gebühr hinnehmen...
aber dann würde es doch unter Geldwäsche fallen, oder nicht?
Man weiss doch nie, woher die Käufer das Geld haben,
da dies im Ausland gar nicht kontrolliert wird.
So würde ich davon ausgehen, dass die Käufer z.B.
geklautes Geld haben und es einfach in eine andere
Währung/Konto umtauschen wollen.

Was kann man denn machen, um sich davor zu schützen?

Lukrativ ist das ganze schon und telegraphische Geldtransfers
anzunehmen ist doch nicht verboten, sonst würde es sowas doch nicht geben.
Und mein Produkt wäre dann die e-Gold Währung...deren Preis man
praktisch selbst bestimmen kann..da die Anfrage hoch ist und es
sich eigentlich um Handel von virtuellem Geld handelt.

Wie ihr seht, mach ich mir lediglich Gedanken darum,
wie man sicher sein kann, nicht in Geldwäsche verwickelt zu werden.
Das ganze könnte man z.B. auch auf eBay anwenden...
wenn man dort seine Waren verkauft und Zahlungen
durch telegraphische Transfers annimmt.
Da weiss man auch nie, woher der Käufer das Geld nun hat.



Darf man ein Unternehmen gründen, dass auf Handel/Umtausch von Währungen ausgelegt ist?
Hoffe ich habe alles verständlich ausgedrückt
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habe gerade auf einigen seiten gelesen, dass nur banken dazu lizenziert sind, elektronisches geld auszugeben.
oder man selbst eine bankerlaubnis braucht..
hab das nich ganz verstanden, kennt sich hier jemand damit aus?
jedoch würde es sich hier lediglich um ein umtausch handeln, also nicht um das verbreiten von elektronischem geld.
ich kaufe das e-gold und sende es anschließend an einen anderen käufer weiter der mir dann +3% oder so nochmals draufzahlt.
da e-gold durch edelmetalle abgedeckt ist, wäre dies doch als goldhandel anzusehen, oder nicht?
 
Hallo!

Von e-Gold würde ich die Finger lassen. Ist eine "windige" Sache. Meistens wird ja e-Gold für HYIPs verwendet weil es eben sehr anonym abläuft. Da wird sicher oft Geld gewaschen. Mehr Infos gibts unter www.gdcaonline.org. Trotzdem kann ich dir nur davon abraten.

lg
gigli
 
hi! bin zufällig auf diesen beitrag gestossen...und habe mir gedacht da sollte ich mal was ins rechte licht rücken
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@gigli44
Ich respektiere deine Meinung
aber rate dir etwas mehr nachzufroschen...ist evtl. auch in deinem interesse..
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@ Tryle..


www.e-gold.com ist defintiv keine "windige sache"...
E-gold ist ein hervorragende alternative zu dem FIAT Money das wir heutzutage verwenden d.h. Staatliches Geld wie z.B.
USD / EUR /CHF / CAD / YEN / YUAN / RUBEL usw.

Ich persönlich benutze E-Gold seit 2 jahren und bin sehr zufrieden damit..man kann weltweit zahlungen entgegennehmen..sekundenschnell...zu unschlagbaren transfer preisen..es gibt debit karten ales mögliche...und die zahl der beutzer steigt EXPONENTIELL seit 1996 ..bald knacken sie die kritische Masse von 5 millionen benutzern..aber genug vom weihrauch..

Ja egold wurde von vielen "Kriminellen" (z.B. ShadowCrew die pro Woche mehrere Hundertausend USD$ durch das egold system geschleust haben..gewinne aus Identitytheft geschäften etc)..
Aber Egold hat sehr strenge sicherheitsvorkehrungen getroffen (und arbeitet mit sämtlichen Polizeibehörden schon seit jahren zusamen um Kinderschänder,Drogendealer und andere "Kriminelle" die das system missbrauchen dingfest zumachen..

Egold speicher auch IP`s mit und übertragungen...In der businessweek gabs mal einen artikel von 2001 glaub ich in der von dem FBI raid in florida berichtet wird..der Artikel ist zwar etwas einseitig (NICHT zugunsten egold) aber wenn man sich gründlich informiert dann findet man relativ schnell raus das durch unsere Bankensysteme und western union Paypal Netteller was es noch so alles gibt MILLIARDEN gewaschen werden..."Kriminelle" die wissen was sie machen können diese Systeme alle austricksen (manche wie die Triade benutzen schon lange privates geld)..diese geldwäschgesetze richten sich -->meiner<-- meinung nach gegen uns als bürger (nur wen der staat weiß wo dein geld ist kann ers dir abnehmem)..


nach den FBI raids hat egold jedoch sein geschäft nach BELIZE (offshoreheaven) verlegt um die privatsphäre seiner Kunden zu schützen (aber sie legen nach wie vor krimiellen das handwerk) ..war ja auch nötig nach dem Patriot Act!

ich kann nur sagen das ich NIEMALS meine Ersparnisse in Egold halten würde (dafür nehm ich www.goldmoney.com weil daweiß ich das alles 1A ist ! auf der Isle of Man / versichert von loyds of london)...

egold benutze ich nur für kleine trasnaktionen und für meine debitkarten (ich reise sehr viel) und für mein forex trading (es gibt mittlerweile Broker die egold akzeptieren...)

zu den HYIPS ..ja das ist bullshit...ich habe zwar 2 4 stellige beträge in HYIPs aber eich empfehle jedem die finger davon zu lassen...man kann da geld verdienen aber nur auf 2 wegen (A--> Man sammelt MML mässig soviele "refferals" wie möglich und kassiert prozensätze von dem was die leute investieren oder b-> man ist schnell..kennt alle nachrichten und kann mit whois alexa umgehen und weiß was DD (DueDiligence) ist...ERST SEHR VIEL LESEN in den bekannten hyipforen..talkgold moneymakergroup hyipdiscussion etc. oder mein liebling http://hyipblog.nobshyip.net..ich HASSE MÖGLICHKEIT A deshalb gibts hier keine referall links von mir...wer suchet der findet...habe zwar geld verdient (vielleicht nur glück) aber gelernt habe ich noch viel mehr
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zum beispiel das 10% pro monat göttlich ist und alles darüber ist ein spiel..ja das triffts HYIP ist glücksspiel....

Ja egold wir dort gerne verwendet...denn wer weiß wie kann sich auch dort anonym machen (aber wer das kann der kanns überall)...aber die HYIP&Autosurf industry macht nur nen kleinen teil von egold aus vielleicht ändert sich das mal aber es gibt immer faule äpfel...



 
Okay ..

zweiter teil
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DAS !WICHTIGE! an digitalen goldwärungen im allgemeinen ist eigentlich was ganz anderes (ausser das ich bisher keine angenehmere und billigere möglichkeit gefunden habe meine geldgeschäfte zu organisieren)..

und zwar wie ich schon von anfang an bemerkt habe..
Das sie privates geld darstellen das zu jedem zeitpunkt 100% durch gold,silber,palladium,diamanten,platin GEDECKT SIND! GANZ IM GEGENSATZ zu Euro,Dollar,Yen oder wie auchimmer die sind nur das Papier wert auf dem sie gedruckt sind mehr nicht...

Das heisst 1 Unze Gold ist immer 1 Unze Gold (knapp 30g)..der WERT ensteht durch das GEWICHT...

das heisst wenn gold vor 6jahren 300$ /Unze wert war und heute stehts bei 622$/Feinunze das nicht etwa das gold doppelt soviel wert ist sondern das der USD $$ nur noch halb soviel wert ist ..(ich weiß das stimmt nicht ganz 100% da fehlen noch paar kleine faktoren aber ich mach ja hier kein vortrag über Austrian School of Econmics ..aber zum verbildichen reichts hoff ich)

und wenn ich vor 100 Jahren eine unze Gold hatte konnte ich mir davon einen prächtigen Herrenmantel kaufen ..und kann das heute noch genauso...


nur zum vergleich : der euro hat seit seiner einführung (vor 5-6jahren) 50% an kaufkraft verloren ...50%...unglaublich eigentlich..alle leute denken die preise haben sich verdoppelt (was einzeln natürlich durchaus der fall sein kann) aber makroökonomisch gesehen ist der euo nur noch halb soviel wert...es gab mal ne zeit da waren alles Regierungen (zumindest die sich ein freies land nennen durften) gezwungen 100% Reserven zu halten aber irgendwann haben sie endeckt das sie ja mehr Schuldscheine auf Gold (das und nichts anderes war das erste papiergeld) drucken können als gold gelagert ist..und sich dadruch einiges finanzieren lässt....Krieg..Invasion.."Soziale"Sicherungen etc...eigentlich lernt jede regierung als erstes das ...funktioniert wie ne geheime steuer..guter trick...auf jeden fall werden diese wärungen demnächst hart den bach runter gehen mit dem dollar angefangen...dann kannst du für nen lieferwagen voller dollars ne tagesration essen kaufen wenn du glück hast ..ansonten mach ein lagerfeuer...

Papiergeld hatte seine berechtigung solange es 100% gedeckt war weil keiner gold mit sich dauernd rumschleppen wollte...aber das internet macht hier eine revolution möglich..adè inflation und so weiter...Gold kennt jeder...gold schätz jeder im wert..und das seit wasweißichwievieln tausend jahren...

Ich persönlich glaube das in ca.15 jahren egold und konsorten Standard sind..weil privates geld immer siegt (freier markt und so) und dieses FIAT Money eigentlich dreister diebstahl ist..

das ist auch der hauptgrund das regierungen versuchen diese zu zerstören weil das gewaltige konkurenz ist zu dem FIAT money betrug den sie veranstalten..diese firmen sind absolut 1a und gehen gegen "verbrecher" vor...also nicht alles glauben was man ließt(von wegen nur kriminelle benutzen das und so...)

ich bin langsam müde...wollte gerne mehr schrieben vor allem in bezug auf das aufbauen eines ecurrency exchange providers in deutschland (plane das seit mehren monaten) aber werde das definitv nacholen wenn interesse besteht...

Auch äußere ich mich gern gegen ewaige kritig und benanwtorte gerne noch fragen...

jetzt hier noch ne portion links die die zusammenhänge FIAT Money / Gold genauer erklären als ich das wahrsceinlich gemacht habe
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Cya,
Aidan


Gold&Silber&andere Ecurrencies:

www.goldmoney.com (mein favourit auch weil ich die ehre hatt mich ne halbe stunde mit james Turk zu unterhalten)
www.e-buillon.com
www.e-gold.com (gibts 10jahre..also ein "echter" internetdinosaurier
www.1mdc.com (geile idee..sub currency zu egold d.h die wärung ist durch egold gedeckt.keine transaktionsgebühren&anonym)

www.e-dinar.com
www.pecunix.com
http://www.phoenixdollar.com/
http://www.wmtransfer.com/
https://www.libertyreserve.com/ Der liberty Dollar...habe nur 2 echt münzen von denen ..die liegen in USA das mag ich nicht..aber benutzen dort 3000000 leute ..die habens geschnallt...
http://www.crowne-gold.com/ auch USA ..homeland security und FBI nehemn die gerade auseinander soweit ich weiß...
aber sie werden nix finden...weils nix zu finden gibt...hoffe ich zumindest..obwohl für jeden der aufhört kommen 2 neue
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http://d-carat.com/index.php durch diamanten gedeckt..funktioniert bis jetzt habe da aber nur einen account wegen nem HYIP..traue denen nich so ganz..eigentlich gar nicht..FINGER WEG! ausser du bist mitlgied von Udachu..dann musst du wohl
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Videos:
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-46...federal+reserve

vom ludwig van mises institut..(also definitv nicht so ein verschwörungstheoriebullshit dafür gibts das hier ->

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-15...&q=moneymasters

davon gibts dann noch teil 2 und 3 auf video.google wer suchet der findet.--aber das ist ends der schinken dauert 3h+
muss niemand glauben aber definitv ein sher unterhaltungsanregender film..

Bücher von ludwig van mises institut (SEHR SEHR REnomiert) kein bullshit ..
suchen auf der seite www.mises.org


The Mystery Of Banking.pdf
Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.pdf
Murry N.Rothbard-For a New Liberty.pdf
Murray Rothbard - What Has Government Done To Our MoneyPdf.pdf
Murray Rothbard - Power And Market. Government And The EconomyPdf.pdf
Murray Rothbard - America's Great DepressionPdf.pdf
History of Money and Banking in the United States The Colonial Era to World War II .pdf

habe selber noch ein sehr spezielles buch..The Lodging of Wayfering Man by Anonymous..das verschicke ich nur Anfrage..

noch so neben bei..das ist alles auf englischund teilweise vielleicht harter stoff aber man kann so einiges lernen..die bücher sind woerit dort verfügbar frei verbreitbar also ich nixmachen ´was falsch wegen copyright etc..

und das buch das ich verschicke ist soweiso frei
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aber ich bitte um ne spende für den author (steht dann im vorwort)

okay ich hör auf..gibt noch viel mehr aber das reicht wohl erstmal ! Gute n8!
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Okay:) ich kanns nicht lassen..hier nochwas..


Gold and Economic Freedom
by Alan Greenspan
[written in 1966]

An almost hysterical antagonism toward the gold standard is one issue which unites statists of all persuasions. They seem to sense - perhaps more clearly and subtly than many consistent defenders of laissez-faire - that gold and economic freedom are inseparable, that the gold standard is an instrument of laissez-faire and that each implies and requires the other.
In order to understand the source of their antagonism, it is necessary first to understand the specific role of gold in a free society.
Money is the common denominator of all economic transactions. It is that commodity which serves as a medium of exchange, is universally acceptable to all participants in an exchange economy as payment for their goods or services, and can, therefore, be used as a standard of market value and as a store of value, i.e., as a means of saving.
The existence of such a commodity is a precondition of a division of labor economy. If men did not have some commodity of objective value which was generally acceptable as money, they would have to resort to primitive barter or be forced to live on self-sufficient farms and forgo the inestimable advantages of specialization. If men had no means to store value, i.e., to save, neither long-range planning nor exchange would be possible.
What medium of exchange will be acceptable to all participants in an economy is not determined arbitrarily. First, the medium of exchange should be durable. In a primitive society of meager wealth, wheat might be sufficiently durable to serve as a medium, since all exchanges would occur only during and immediately after the harvest, leaving no value-surplus to store. But where store-of-value considerations are important, as they are in richer, more civilized societies, the medium of exchange must be a durable commodity, usually a metal. A metal is generally chosen because it is homogeneous and divisible: every unit is the same as every other and it can be blended or formed in any quantity. Precious jewels, for example, are neither homogeneous nor divisible. More important, the commodity chosen as a medium must be a luxury. Human desires for luxuries are unlimited and, therefore, luxury goods are always in demand and will always be acceptable. Wheat is a luxury in underfed civilizations, but not in a prosperous society. Cigarettes ordinarily would not serve as money, but they did in post-World War II Europe where they were considered a luxury. The term "luxury good" implies scarcity and high unit value. Having a high unit value, such a good is easily portable; for instance, an ounce of gold is worth a half-ton of pig iron.
In the early stages of a developing money economy, several media of exchange might be used, since a wide variety of commodities would fulfill the foregoing conditions. However, one of the commodities will gradually displace all others, by being more widely acceptable. Preferences on what to hold as a store of value, will shift to the most widely acceptable commodity, which, in turn, will make it still more acceptable. The shift is progressive until that commodity becomes the sole medium of exchange. The use of a single medium is highly advantageous for the same reasons that a money economy is superior to a barter economy: it makes exchanges possible on an incalculably wider scale.
Whether the single medium is gold, silver, seashells, cattle, or tobacco is optional, depending on the context and development of a given economy. In fact, all have been employed, at various times, as media of exchange. Even in the present century, two major commodities, gold and silver, have been used as international media of exchange, with gold becoming the predominant one. Gold, having both artistic and functional uses and being relatively scarce, has significant advantages over all other media of exchange. Since the beginning of World War I, it has been virtually the sole international standard of exchange. If all goods and services were to be paid for in gold, large payments would be difficult to execute and this would tend to limit the extent of a society's divisions of labor and specialization. Thus a logical extension of the creation of a medium of exchange is the development of a banking system and credit instruments (bank notes and deposits) which act as a substitute for, but are convertible into, gold.
A free banking system based on gold is able to extend credit and thus to create bank notes (currency) and deposits, according to the production requirements of the economy. Individual owners of gold are induced, by payments of interest, to deposit their gold in a bank (against which they can draw checks). But since it is rarely the case that all depositors want to withdraw all their gold at the same time, the banker need keep only a fraction of his total deposits in gold as reserves. This enables the banker to loan out more than the amount of his gold deposits (which means that he holds claims to gold rather than gold as security of his deposits). But the amount of loans which he can afford to make is not arbitrary: he has to gauge it in relation to his reserves and to the status of his investments.
When banks loan money to finance productive and profitable endeavors, the loans are paid off rapidly and bank credit continues to be generally available. But when the business ventures financed by bank credit are less profitable and slow to pay off, bankers soon find that their loans outstanding are excessive relative to their gold reserves, and they begin to curtail new lending, usually by charging higher interest rates. This tends to restrict the financing of new ventures and requires the existing borrowers to improve their profitability before they can obtain credit for further expansion. Thus, under the gold standard, a free banking system stands as the protector of an economy's stability and balanced growth. When gold is accepted as the medium of exchange by most or all nations, an unhampered free international gold standard serves to foster a world-wide division of labor and the broadest international trade. Even though the units of exchange (the dollar, the pound, the franc, etc.) differ from country to country, when all are defined in terms of gold the economies of the different countries act as one-so long as there are no restraints on trade or on the movement of capital. Credit, interest rates, and prices tend to follow similar patterns in all countries. For example, if banks in one country extend credit too liberally, interest rates in that country will tend to fall, inducing depositors to shift their gold to higher-interest paying banks in other countries. This will immediately cause a shortage of bank reserves in the "easy money" country, inducing tighter credit standards and a return to competitively higher interest rates again.
A fully free banking system and fully consistent gold standard have not as yet been achieved. But prior to World War I, the banking system in the United States (and in most of the world) was based on gold and even though governments intervened occasionally, banking was more free than controlled. Periodically, as a result of overly rapid credit expansion, banks became loaned up to the limit of their gold reserves, interest rates rose sharply, new credit was cut off, and the economy went into a sharp, but short-lived recession. (Compared with the depressions of 1920 and 1932, the pre-World War I business declines were mild indeed.) It was limited gold reserves that stopped the unbalanced expansions of business activity, before they could develop into the post-World Was I type of disaster. The readjustment periods were short and the economies quickly reestablished a sound basis to resume expansion.
But the process of cure was misdiagnosed as the disease: if shortage of bank reserves was causing a business decline-argued economic interventionists-why not find a way of supplying increased reserves to the banks so they never need be short! If banks can continue to loan money indefinitely-it was claimed-there need never be any slumps in business. And so the Federal Reserve System was organized in 1913. It consisted of twelve regional Federal Reserve banks nominally owned by private bankers, but in fact government sponsored, controlled, and supported. Credit extended by these banks is in practice (though not legally) backed by the taxing power of the federal government. Technically, we remained on the gold standard; individuals were still free to own gold, and gold continued to be used as bank reserves. But now, in addition to gold, credit extended by the Federal Reserve banks ("paper reserves") could serve as legal tender to pay depositors.
When business in the United States underwent a mild contraction in 1927, the Federal Reserve created more paper reserves in the hope of forestalling any possible bank reserve shortage. More disastrous, however, was the Federal Reserve's attempt to assist Great Britain who had been losing gold to us because the Bank of England refused to allow interest rates to rise when market forces dictated (it was politically unpalatable). The reasoning of the authorities involved was as follows: if the Federal Reserve pumped excessive paper reserves into American banks, interest rates in the United States would fall to a level comparable with those in Great Britain; this would act to stop Britain's gold loss and avoid the political embarrassment of having to raise interest rates. The "Fed" succeeded; it stopped the gold loss, but it nearly destroyed the economies of the world, in the process. The excess credit which the Fed pumped into the economy spilled over into the stock market-triggering a fantastic speculative boom. Belatedly, Federal Reserve officials attempted to sop up the excess reserves and finally succeeded in braking the boom. But it was too late: by 1929 the speculative imbalances had become so overwhelming that the attempt precipitated a sharp retrenching and a consequent demoralizing of business confidence. As a result, the American economy collapsed. Great Britain fared even worse, and rather than absorb the full consequences of her previous folly, she abandoned the gold standard completely in 1931, tearing asunder what remained of the fabric of confidence and inducing a world-wide series of bank failures. The world economies plunged into the Great Depression of the 1930's.
With a logic reminiscent of a generation earlier, statists argued that the gold standard was largely to blame for the credit debacle which led to the Great Depression. If the gold standard had not existed, they argued, Britain's abandonment of gold payments in 1931 would not have caused the failure of banks all over the world. (The irony was that since 1913, we had been, not on a gold standard, but on what may be termed "a mixed gold standard"; yet it is gold that took the blame.) But the opposition to the gold standard in any form-from a growing number of welfare-state advocates-was prompted by a much subtler insight: the realization that the gold standard is incompatible with chronic deficit spending (the hallmark of the welfare state). Stripped of its academic jargon, the welfare state is nothing more than a mechanism by which governments confiscate the wealth of the productive members of a society to support a wide variety of welfare schemes. A substantial part of the confiscation is effected by taxation. But the welfare statists were quick to recognize that if they wished to retain political power, the amount of taxation had to be limited and they had to resort to programs of massive deficit spending, i.e., they had to borrow money, by issuing government bonds, to finance welfare expenditures on a large scale.
Under a gold standard, the amount of credit that an economy can support is determined by the economy's tangible assets, since every credit instrument is ultimately a claim on some tangible asset. But government bonds are not backed by tangible wealth, only by the government's promise to pay out of future tax revenues, and cannot easily be absorbed by the financial markets. A large volume of new government bonds can be sold to the public only at progressively higher interest rates. Thus, government deficit spending under a gold standard is severely limited. The abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion of credit. They have created paper reserves in the form of government bonds which-through a complex series of steps-the banks accept in place of tangible assets and treat as if they were an actual deposit, i.e., as the equivalent of what was formerly a deposit of gold. The holder of a government bond or of a bank deposit created by paper reserves believes that he has a valid claim on a real asset. But the fact is that there are now more claims outstanding than real assets. The law of supply and demand is not to be conned. As the supply of money (of claims) increases relative to the supply of tangible assets in the economy, prices must eventually rise. Thus the earnings saved by the productive members of the society lose value in terms of goods. When the economy's books are finally balanced, one finds that this loss in value represents the goods purchased by the government for welfare or other purposes with the money proceeds of the government bonds financed by bank credit expansion.
In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. If everyone decided, for example, to convert all his bank deposits to silver or copper or any other good, and thereafter declined to accept checks as payment for goods, bank deposits would lose their purchasing power and government-created bank credit would be worthless as a claim on goods. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves.
This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard.
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Alan Greenspan
[written in 1966]
This article originally appeared in a newsletter called The Objectivist published in 1966 and was reprinted in Ayn Rand's Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal




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If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
-Thomas Jefferson


History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.
-James Madison

The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.
-Abraham Lincoln


Despite these warnings, Woodrow Wilson signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act. A few years later he wrote: I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.
-Woodrow Wilson


"Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice."
-- George Washington
 
The ten major shareholders of the Federal Reserve are as follows.
Rothschild: London and Berlin; Lazard Bros: Paris; Israel Seiff: Italy; Kuhn- Loeb Company: Germany; Warburg: Hamburg and Amsterdam; Lehman Bros; New York; Goldman and Sachs: New York; Rockefeller: New York.



und das letzte! dann geh ich wirklich ins bett
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Money in a Free Nation
by Joanna Parker




Unless you become as a little child,
you shall in nowise enter the kingdom of heaven .
Mt. 18:3
An itinerant preacher once said that heaven and hell are the same place. "Hell is just heaven misunderstood," he added, "and neither is anywhere but here, nor for any time but now."1
All that most of us know of life is our sensory experience of it, our emotional reactions to it, our mental speculations about it, and occasionally a revelation that seems to transcend all of these. One piece of knowledge that even our ‘hard’ sciences perceive to be incontrovertible is the fact that the universe operates on a principle of equilibrium. It is a rule that children recognize easily because their judgment has not yet been skewed by the frauds that abound in adult society.
Fraud and freedom, unlike heaven and hell, cannot live in the same space. A free nation, therefore, must have honest money.
"You can’t print gold."
- Ron Paul2
My grandson Daniel trades Pokéman cards with his friend Russell. Each transaction is in balance, just as on a scale. "I’ll trade you this one for that one." Each youngster gets full value for what he surrenders to the other. But if one day Russell were to offer Daniel a piece of paper with "Dewgong card" written on it in exchange for Daniel’s Charizard card, Daniel would probably tell his friend - and quite properly - to get real.
The key word is real. In a free nation, as it is with children, exchanges must be real. And words used to signify the nature and substance of exchanges must mean what they say; otherwise they are not real words. In a free nation, words having to do with mundane matters must mean what they say, and any word that cannot be defined by unanimous agreement among or between the parties involved is not a real word. A word to which an unequivocal meaning has not been assigned is not a word. It signifies nothing. It is just a string of letters.
Long-time hard-money advocate Paul Hein3 tested a bogus word couple of years ago with the U.S. Treasury Department. He wrote requesting that someone at Treasury give him the definition of a dollar according to U.S. Law, and added that he wanted the exact citation.
"Customer Assistance" at the Treasury Department replied that a dollar is defined as "a currency bill and monetary unit of the United States, equal to 100 cents" but that they had no information on a specific citation in the federal regulations. They suggested that he contact the Federal Reserve.
Hein wrote back, with more questions, and received an even emptier non-answer than before and a firm request, this time around, that he contact the Federal Reserve.
Hein wrote a third time, posing a new set of questions and expressing his amazement that the Treasury Department could not give him the definition of a dollar in U.S. Law. This time the Treasury’s Customer Assistant informed him that the Department does not "have regulatory authority over actual currency" and that its office would "not respond to any other inquiries regarding the definition of a dollar."
Long before initiating this fruitless correspondence with the Treasury, Hein had already engaged in the same experiment with the Federal Reserve. And with the IRS before that. The Fed replied that due to the "technical nature" of Hein’s questions, the official he had contacted was "unable to answer at this time." The IRS was even more candid: "The term ‘dollar’ is not defined in the Internal Revenue Code."
So, in the nation vaunted as the world’s freest and richest, nobody in ‘authority’ knows what a dollar is. Thus we can reasonably deduce that no one in the rest of the world knows, either. Nor what their own units of exchange are. The British don’t know what a pound is, the French don’t know what a franc is, the Germans don’t know what a mark is, the Japanese don’t know what a yen is, and so on. Since all these supposed currencies are fiat (forced tender without intrinsic value), they cannot be defined because they aren’t anything. The very existence of Legal Tender Laws is prima facie evidence of a currency’s worthlessness. If it were any good, as economist Larry Parks points out, people would not have to be forced to use it.4
"Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice."
-- George Washington5

What will people living in a free nation use for money? The question begs an immediate second question: where? If that free nation is geographical, rather than virtual, exchanges among its inhabitants will necessarily have to be as real and as physical as the terrain on which they live. And the media of such exchanges cannot be given a forced definition as "legal tender" but must be left to all parties in all exchanges to decide, by mutual consent, what the medium or media are to be. Otherwise, there is no way that the inhabitants of such a nation will remain free.
So, within the borders of a free nation, no central authority needs to decide what constitutes ‘money’. However, the inhabitants of this territory, just as those in any other, are going to need all manner of goods to sustain their lives in all sorts of ways. Let us suppose, from here on out, that these inhabitants are us. And let us suppose that we have put enough fiat money together to lease a relatively virgin territory from an East African nation. We will have to start from scratch. We will need to import almost everything, from foodstuffs to plumbing fixtures. So, the first kinds of exchanges in which we will have to engage will not be among ourselves but will have to be across borders - international. And once we are fully established and thriving, we will still have to do a great deal of importing (and, hopefully, exporting) because the world’s resources are international. We will need a medium of exchange that works everywhere, not just at home.
Inside our borders, we may reach the consensus that coinage in fixed weights of silver and gold will serve as our internal money for most exchanges, but clearly we cannot be sending such bulk around the world for what we want to buy nor demanding it from foreigners to whom we wish to sell. But if we have understood that fiat money is immoral6 and have banished it from our lives, how are we going to engage in world trade without it?
Easy. Establish accounts with real-money depositories such as The Gold & Silver Reserve, Inc. Or, if we have among us someone with an expertise equal to that of the creators of G&SR, we can create our own depository. But I suggest that we begin with a depository that has already tested its method and worked out the kinks.
G&SR is more familiarly known as "e-gold"7. It is the ultimate bank, but only because it is not a bank - not by any contemporary standard, nor even by any standard since the Middle Ages. Gold & Silver Reserve is a depository of real money, wealth that is neither lent nor borrowed but simply kept, ready at any time to obey the will of the owners of this wealth, and of whoever cares to become an owner. It has turned the tables on the modern alchemists, the wizards of deception who believe they have succeeded in turning gold into paper. G&SR will take your paper and turn it back into gold8.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero."
- Voltaire9
Let us suppose that several hundred (thousand?) pioneering FNF members, sponsors, and affiliates have managed to lease a relatively undeveloped territory from the Tribal Confederation of Dewgong, a third-world country. A Hong-Kong-like autonomy for the lessors is bound into the contract - and perhaps also, ideally, an option to purchase. Once the deal is done, those of us who are ready to leave our various homelands will have no problem doing so if our fiat money has already been electronically transmuted into gold by means of a G&SR account. This is because, once our dollars, bahts, pesos, and pounds reach the account, they no longer exist. What we will own instead are physical weight-units of precious metals at their going market value, upon which we can draw in tangible specie or turn back into fiat money - for bill-paying, gifts, whatever - any time we wish and anywhere we wish, with a single keystroke or mouse click.
Thus a person can quit any country whose government imposes controls on a citizen’s ability to do so and take all his money with him; and he can do it with a smile (read: smirk)10. The new citizen of Free Dewgong Territory will leave his former land with little more than a few traveller’s checks and pocket change. He will pass by his government’s duoanier (Customs agent) with ‘nothing to declare’. Nor will he have any foreign bank accounts to confess-to on future tax forms. As far as respective national authorities are concerned, everyone emigrating to Free Dewgong11 Territory is virtually broke.
"All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, as much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation."
- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson12

Actually, every one of us really is broke; but because we are forced to play the fiat-money game, and in view of the murkiness in our crystal balls regarding future economic and political outcomes, we usually try to keep at least a savings account going. However, even some libertarians don’t realize that these very accounts are contributing to - indeed, aiding and abetting - everything we hate about what has been happening to our lives because of the relentless growth of government. For every dollar "deposited" (lent) to the bank, the bank is allowed to lend out nine more. These new dollars surface magically with a keystroke, a numeric virgin birth; and with these pseudo dollars, created from nothing and backed by nothing, the bank then makes the loans from which it "earns" more dollars - which are also created out of nothing.13
The Federal Reserve engages in the same fraud on a larger scale when it "buys" government securities. This is the way tons of new paper chits marked "Federal Reserve Notes" (IOUs) are cranked out and circulated as "legal tender". It is also how the 50 vassal states of America get their pork barrels filled perennially, and to relentlessly-higher levels. Above all, it is the way our so-called "national debt" has reached its dizzying altitude of $5.5 trillion.
There is no such debt, of course, since everything has been paid-for with nothing to begin with. But in order to fool the citizenry into believing it is all very serious and real, government pretends that their earnings (and their boats, booze, cigars, cigarettes, gasoline, phone calls, capital gains, and so on ad infinitum) must be taxed.14
Thus fiat money is the ultimate instrument of control, an unwritten quid pro quo between bankers and rulers. The State gets to rule the mob, and the central banker gets to rule the State. These are the true Partners in Power.15 The only possible way for a free nation to break this link, or escape its long reach, is to have nothing to do with banks.
"What is e-gold? e-gold is the first electronic currency that unleashes the potential of worldwide e-commerce. From Azerbaijan to Zaire, e-gold is the largest, fastest growing, privately issued currency in the world. e-gold is World Wide Money."16

Using a deposits-and-payments facility that operates on a 100% precious-metals purchase-and-sell basis is the only honest and freedom-protecting way to carry on day-to-day financial transactions in a free nation. Since precious-metals accounts continuously reflect ongoing market value, the true cost of every commercial activity is always transparent. Inflation is now impossible, and prices are now valid measures.
The psychological reward of this reality-based economy is automatic. If I buy a book at Phil’s bookstore, I will no longer have to cheat him with fiat paper or junk-metal coins. I can pay him what the book is really worth. I can pay him with real money. It won’t even matter if he has priced the book in dollar terms. I can go to the computer terminal he has set-up in his store, call up my e-metal account, and instantly transfer to his e-metal account the exact dollar-equivalent of whichever metal I want to spend.
Lending and borrowing will also be possible, in the form of privately-negotiated contracts between or among account holders. If Roderick decides to start a school, he can solicit financing from one or more of his fellow account holders at an X% interest rate in e-metal. Then, if I want my grandson to attend Roderick’s school but can’t afford to pay a year’s tuition in advance, he can offer me a monthly payment arrangement at a premium of Y% in e-metal. We will all be agreeing in a real-world framework that cannot help but produce harmony. It will feel good to earn and spend real money. It will feel good to be free to be honest, to be like children - innocent - exchanging our Pokéman cards. And, it will feel good to think that, just maybe, it’s really possible to turn hell back into heaven.
Afterword
The Coinage Act of 1792 fixed the value of a dollar at the same silver content (.7982 oz.) as that of the Spanish 8 reales (known as the Spanish Milled dollar or ‘Pillar’ dollar). This ‘foreign’ coin circulated freely in colonial America and the United States from the early 1700s [because the money-value was its silver content, not its national origin] until 1857. The ‘Pillar dollar’ also came in smaller denominations, which people referred to as ‘bits’ - thus the expressions "two bits, four bits, six bits" that still persist today for a quarter, half-dollar, and three quarters.

Colonial Pillar Dollar, 1758
The average market price of silver in 1792 was $1.293, and although the price fluctuated in the 19th century because of massive new discoveries of the metal, in 1965, the year that the U.S. government debased our coinage by eliminating its silver content, the market price was still $1.293. Same story for gold. Although the Coinage Act of 1792 fixed the gold/silver ratio at 15:1, but U.S. $20 gold and $1 silver coins reflected the market-price ratio of 20:1, which remained consistently stable until 1933, when the U.S. president (FDR) debased the coinage for the first time in our history. (And confiscated everybody’s gold, in the bargain.) ~ Sections 8 and 10 of Article I of the U.S. Constitution hve never been annulled by any amendment to the Constitution. Nor has the Coinage Act of 1792 has not been repealed. One of its provisions mandates the death penalty for any public official convicted of debasing the coinage. In 1833, when official records of the London Fix price of gold were first published, the year’s average price was $20.65; in 1930, it was still $20.65. In 1932, it was $20.69. By 1980, the year’s average price had reached $612.56 (with a spike at one point to well above $800). In other words, our money had been debased by an average of 97%. The dollar had become three cents. ~ No one has been hanged.17
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Notes
1 Harry Priestly (1915-1996), in several oral dissertations, heard by only a few of the famous, such as actress Jane Russell and her immediate family and friends. I knew him for 35 years, ever urging him to publish his insights. He never did.
2 Attributed to unidentified issue of Readers Digest in "The Return of the Gold Standard?"
3 Dr. Hein is a contributing essayist at www.gold-eagle.com. He tells this story in his September 21, 1998 article "What a Web We Weave" (at http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_98/hein092198.html).
4 Lawrence M. Parks, Foundation for the Advancement of Monetary Education (http://www.FAME.org), in The Fight for Honest Monetary Weights and Measures (Jersey City, NJ: Palisade Press [White Paper No. 2, January 17, 2000]), p. 5.
5 Letter to J. Bowen, Rhode Island, January 9, 1787 (quoted in Parks, op. cit., Introduction, p.ii).
6 Because it is created out of thin air and backed by nothing. It is simply legalized counterfeit. By its very nature, fiat money cannot represent any specific value. The dollar amount printed on a piece of paper labeled "Federal Reserve Note" would be worth the same, intrinsically, were the denominations printed as One, Five, Ten, Twenty, Fifty, or 100 Dewgongs.
7 www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=100889
8 Or into silver, if you wish, or into platinum or palladium or all four metals. G&SR uses the term gold for simplicity sake, as shall I.
9 Quoted in Parks, op.cit., Intro., p.ii.
10 For the first time in its history, the United States now exerts similar controls. Thanks to the Clinton Administration (and the War on Drugs), one cannot leave the country with more than $10,000 in cash. He or she must also satisfy IRS reporting requirements, of course, so that Uncle can be sure the departing individual is not leaving to avoid taxes. (Heaven forbid!)
11 Simple-minded as it may seem, I have often thought a free nation's name should be "Liberty." Admittedly, this didn't work very well for Liberia, but its newly emancipated settlers didn't have the time that we will have had to plan ahead.
12 Quoted in Parks, op.cit., Intro., p.ii.
13 Since 1971, after President Nixon put an end to the gold standard (formalized by Congress in 1978).
14 Llewellyn Rockwell, Jr., of the Mises Institute, once quipped, "The truth is the Fed doesn't need our taxes any more than a counterfeiter needs to rob the local gas station." ("Mad Fed Disease," The Free Market, May 1996: n.p. [see reprint at www.lewrockwell.com/archives/fm/5-96.html]).
15 The title of Roger Morris' 1999 book on Bill and Hillary Clinton (Regnery Publishing).
16 From the GS&R "Questions and Answers" page (link on the page given in note 7). I recommend the Site Map, also.
17 These data (average London Fix, as world standard) were taken from www.kitco.com/cgi-bin/yearly_graphs.cgi. Records for U.S. prices only are posted at www.globalfindata.com/tbsilver.htm and www.globalfindata.com/tbgold.htm.
Joanna Parker began with an economics degree from Seattle University but did her graduate work in French and linguistics at Washington State University and Tulane. She spent many years doing books (accounting) and as many more teaching English and French at every level from elementary to college. Her last full time post was at Holy Cross College in New Orleans, a small 4-year undergraduate institution where she doubled as both English professor and its one-person French department. Retired since 1989, she is now widowed and living near her sons in Ocean Shores, Washington.
 
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Whither Financial Markets on the Net?
by Duncan Goldie-Scot

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Introduction

The economist Ronald Coase explained that firms, and banks, only exist because of what he called ‘transaction costs'. All this really means is that firms have economies of scale. It is easier for a bank to match borrowers and lenders than it is for each of us to do it on our own. The optimum size of a bank, following Coase, is determined by those info rmation costs. Banks were at their biggest and most powerful when info rmation costs were very high. As the internet leads to plummeting info rmation costs, banks will get much smaller – and may even be completely unnecessary. It is not just the Zopa model (www.zopa.com) of matching borrowers and lenders via a website but something much more revolutionary that follows from this.

But that is running ahead of the argument. What I will do first is give a brief overview of some of the issues in banking, look at what is on the technological horizon, draw some lessons from the history of banking and financial trading and then make a few predictions about where the new technology might lead.

1. Bank payments cartel
I was chairing some e-finance conference a few years back when a director of one of the big clearing banks said that he didn't worry about the internet because it didn't impact on his core business - ‘the management of the money transmission network'

Payment systems are big business. According to the Boston Consulting Group banks around the world are taking out fees of some $228 billion dollars a year just for sending money from one database to another over their networks. In the US about 5% of the value of an average purchase is eaten up in payment costs. In the UK money transmission amounts to almost 1% of GDP or £4.5 billion.

Don Cruickshank, in his report Competition in UK Banking, wrote:

"Money transmission services are supplied through a series of unregulated networks, mostly controlled by the same few large banks who in turn dominate the markets for services to SMEs and personal customers. This market structure results in the creation of artificial barriers to entry, high costs to retailers for accepting credit and debit cards, charges for cash withdrawals up to six times their cost, and a cumbersome and inflexible payment system that is only slowly adapting to the demands of e-commerce."

There is a reasonable defence of the payment systems cartel: the banks do need to co-operate to make the model work: those databases do have to talk to each other. But still, the cartel will protect its profits so don't expect any threatening innovation to come from the banks. Paypal caught the banks napping and they still don't know how to respond to that. It is not just Paypal and Zopa though: there are other options emerging.

2. Historical context
If we take a very long term view, some of the underlying trends become clearer.

Money

At the turn of the first millennium, there were many private currencies but the quality of the coins varied enormously. For this reason coins tended to be used locally as exchange was difficult. Trade was limited.

The commercial revolution that started round 1100 created a demand for reputable money. The more efficient mints exploited economies of scale and drove their less efficient competitors out of business. Governments were not slow to take advantage of the situation. States had economies of scale in enforcement and monitoring. They could demand payment of taxes in the coins the state issued. Doing so helped the state to maximise minting revenues, the tax base and its authority over local and feudal rivals.

The dominance of state currencies took a couple of centuries to complete. When done, states had an effective monopoly of money.

We can then roll the clock forward to, say, 1995, and contemplate the business case for launching a private currency in the UK – perhaps called Shillings . First one has to build enormous printing and minting plants. One needs an army to defy the High Court and Parliament. And then we need a huge marketing budget to persuade merchants and consumers to accept Shillings.

It is clear that there are fairly substantial barriers to entry to the private currency market.

But technology has struck back. Today there are various cryptographic protocols that, with the internet, mean that I can create a currency out of anything I like, largely for free.

I can create a glob of bits that says that I, the issuer and underwriter, based somewhere on the net, promise to pay the bearer on demand x Shillings. The issue cost is close to zero.

Of course, it is another matter to persuade you to accept it but the fact remains that I can create a currency, issue a currency, circulate a currency, offer a free and instant payment service and take $228 billion of COSTS out of the global economy. It is only a matter of time before someone does it. Private currencies are on their way – and it won't be the banks in the vanguard. Mobile phone minutes, air miles, loyalty points are all forms of money as soon as they are made fungible – transferable.

Banking
In his books on the history of banking, Ron Chernow illustrates the trends in banking by looking at the changing relative power of borrowers, lenders and middlemen. In the 18 th Century Wilhelm IX, the local nobleman and landgrave of Hesse was the heir to an enormous fortune. A certain Mayer Amschel Rothschild used to grovel in front of this man, to bow and to scrape. Ultimately, Rothschild was rewarded with a monopoly of negotiating the numerous and highly lucrative state loans issued by Wilhelm. In this case, the provider of capital was powerful. The banker was powerless as Wilhelm could have shut him down with a grunt or a nod. The consumers of capital, impoverished European noblemen, were also largely powerless.

A hundred years later, in 1840, Chancellor Otto von Bismarck stayed at the Rothschild chateau at Ferrieres during the siege of Paris in the Franco-Prussian War. Even the Kaiser was dazzled by the wealth. Within a century, the Rothschilds, once the obsequious servants of monarchs, had grown to be their equal, able to thumb their noses at the Kaiser and other minor characters on the European scene.

What happened was nationalism, the nation state. Governments have an insatiable appetite for money for wars, economic development and pandering to special interests. The histories of the great banking dynasties are full of episodes in which they daringly raised money for cash-strapped governments.

There were just a handful of these great banking dynasties. Perhaps the greatest was J Pierpont Morgan. His forte was acting as a middleman between British investors and American borrowers.

His power stemmed not from the millions he personally owned but from the billions he could command or lay his hands on. The pockets of capital were small, few and widely scattered and he became a crucial communications node matching the two sides of the banking equation.

In the early 1900s, most US companies were small and local and were far less known than the giant Morgan. The main thing that a Morgan could confer on a fledgling company was not so much his capital as his cachet, his reputation - a signal to jittery investors that they could safely invest their money. He charged handsome fees for the privilege.

This was a man for whom brand, above all reputation, really did matter.

By 1960 the providers of capital were accumulating power over bankers in unit trusts, mutual funds and pension funds. Companies were relying less on the traditional banker and had a choice of different capital instruments. For the first time in the 20 th Century the banker middleman's power is dwarfed.

It is that shift of power that explains why 100 years ago the image of a banker was of a rotund, grim, humourless man in late middle age with iron-grey hair, wire-rimmed spectacles and a permanent scowl. His role was to ration scarce credit and charge a hefty fee as the middleman. The banker today is slight by comparison – mere salesmen dispatched to scatter bountiful credit.

As money and credit are banal commodities the role of the banker as the middleman between borrowers and lenders has become powerless: there are bountiful means of exchange in an interconnected world. Even hedgefunds are now dabbling in commercial lending.

Capital markets
The capital markets will change in a different way.

Towards the end of the 18 th century, investors would sit under the buttonwood tree on Wall Street and gossip about the market. When it came to trading, when a price was agreed, trading, clearing and settlement all took place in one seamless, costless transaction. I would hand you a stock certificate and you would hand me cash.

This model began to change when Samuel Morse perfected the telegraph in the mid-nineteenth century. Investors became enthusiastic adopters of the new technology, the Victorian internet, and used it to trade from afar on the most liquid market, Wall Street. Suddenly those quaint, cheap, instant and secure bearer transactions were open to delay, clearing and settlement risk, repudiation, dispute and simple fraud.

The market's solution was to create an independent third party to arbitrate errors and disputes. Therefore, we established a rule-based clearing house, a regulatory system and a legal system to deal with mistakes and fraud. In the market today, the ultimate error handling routine is, ‘And then you go to jail.'

This made economic sense. The advantage of having an enormous pool of liquidity in New York or London more than outweighed the disadvantage of having settlement delays and regulation. It was also very good for brokers. Membership of the clearinghouse was restricted to market intermediaries and the club or cartel was able to agree on high fixed fees.

So, the telegraph, and the telephone, caused a seismic change in the structure of the financial industry.

Technically we can now trade person-to-person, digital cash for digital certificates in real time over the internet without the need for a clearing house, without the need for a central counterparty, and without the risk of repudiation or fraud and all achievable in a seamless, frictionless and costless way.

Being able to do it technically doesn't mean that it will happen. But if, as many of us believe, it is massively cheaper to do it this way, then it almost certainly will happen. How long before someone has the courage to issue a digital bearer bond on the internet? Their reputation really will be on the line.

So, I see four distinct phases of trading, clearing and settlement. The transition from each phase to the next has been caused by an order of magnitude or more reduction in the total cost of trading, clearing and settlement.

In phase 1, the bearer phase, traders would sit under the buttonwood tree on Wall Street and swap bearer certificates for cash. Trading, clearing and settlement is a single and costless transaction.

In phase 2, the advent of the telegraph means that Wall Street has to cope with long distance orders. A regulator/clearing house has to arbitrate disputes. Trading, clearing and settlement become three distinct operations. The cost of sending my Securicor van to your cage, and vice versa, is offset by the liquidity of the marketplace.

In phase 3, the mainframe computer means that we can immobilise and then dematerialise stock into book entries in a database. Trading, clearing and settlement remain separate operations, partly out of habit and partly because the clunkiness of the bank payment mechanisms. Clearing and settlement in computerised databases is cheaper than physical delivery but is neither cheap nor simple: multiple message formats have to be processed in a steep hierarchy of connections between participating institutions.

In phase 4, the invention of financial cryptography and the dominance of the internet, as a universal network, means that database entries, and immobilised documents, can be represented in digital bearer form on the internet. Digital cash can be exchanged for digital equity in real time in a costless transaction. The processing can be distributed on client devices meaning that there are very limited hardware overheads. Trading, clearing and settlement merge again into a single transaction.

3. Conclusions
We have established that the banking cartel exercises its power today over the money transmission network – extracting $228 billion a year in fees. We can look forward to new models, such as Paypal, mobile phone payment methods and many others, killing the cartel.

We have established that government control of money has slipped back to the market: the barriers to entry for private currencies are simply too low not to make it attractive.

We have also established that the banker's role as the middleman matching up borrowers and lenders had its heyday perhaps 100 years ago and has been in continuous decline.

Finally, I contend that we will return to bearer markets on the net – digital bearer markets overturning all of our financial structure. Because it can happen, because it will be massively cheaper, and because there is money to be made by making it happen, it is only a matter of time.

If you would like to know HOW to issue a digital bearer instrument on to the internet, come along to a conference next February and learn all about it. It is called Financial Cryptography and the website is http://www.ifca.ai/ .

Duncan Goldie-Scot is a director of the International Financial Cryptography Association.



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